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Parliamentary information: Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs: Bill S-7, An Act to amend the Customs Act and the Preclearance Act, 2016 (May 30, 2022)

Summaries of Senate technical briefings

9:00 am to 9:52 am

Attendees

Senate of Canada:

  • The Honourable Senator Gwen Boniface (Bill Sponsor)
  • Cameron Ross, Office of Senator Boniface
  • Michael Milech, Office of the Government Liaison in the Senate

Office of the Minister of Public Safety:

  • Kelly Murdock, Director of Parliamentary Affairs
  • Conor Lewis, Office of the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety

Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA):

  • Scott Millar, Vice President, Strategic Policy Branch
  • Graeme Hamilton, Executive Director, Traveller Policy
  • Terri Gabbatt, Manager, Traveller Facilitation and Customs Policy
  • Meaghan Kuntz, Senior Policy Advisor, Traveller Facilitation and Customs Policy
  • Patrick Gray, Parliamentary Affairs

Justice Canada:

Scott Nesbitt, CBSA Legal Services

Public Safety Canada:

  • Randall Koops, Director General, International and Border Policy Directorate
  • David Thelen, Director, Border Policy Division
  • David Vicente, Manager, Preclearance

Summary

Scott Millar, Vice President, Strategic Policy Branch opened the presentation by providing a high-level overview of the legislative proposal. Graeme Hamilton, Executive Director, Traveller Policy walked through the briefing deck presentation in greater detail.

Overall, the briefing went well. Of note, discussion emphasized:

  • The need to be practical and straightforward in providing Senators with an outline of the way border processing would be impacted by the legislative proposal, and to avoid getting tied up in overly legal or complex language
  • The potential for discussion and debate in the Chamber or at Committee to touch on the status of the Government’s commitment to introduce legislation to create a review body for the CBSA

The discussion also featured a number of questions and answers and several requests for additional information were taken on notice.

Questions and answers

1. Question: (Senator Boniface) Comparison to other jurisdictions.

Answer: (Scott Nesbitt, CBSA Legal Services): No other jurisdictions have used similar terminology, and only New Zealand has legislated an examination threshold.

2. Question: (Senator Boniface) Clarity on the sequence of events that led to Bill S-7, and on whether this is purely an exercise in enshrining in law current operational practice.

Answer: (Mr. Hamilton): In 2014, there was little policy and guidance. We developed a robust policy in 2018 to 2019 and are now trying to legislate that policy.

(Terri Gabbatt, Manager, Traveller Facilitation and Customs Policy): An Operational Bulletin in 2015 gave provisional direction on the matter. More detailed policy work followed, and the policy came out in 2019. We want to give that policy force of law.

3. Question: (Senator Boniface) Training for Border Services Officers.

Answer: (Ms. Gabbatt): Some training is being done, but it will depend on the language ultimately passed into law.

(Mr. Hamilton): This issue will feature in training of both new recruits and of existing officers.

(Randall Koops, Director General, International and Border Policy Directorate): With this proposal, CBSA will also be required to provide training on the matter to US preclearance officers. It’s worth noting the US presently has no examination threshold related to personal digital device examinations.

4. Question: (Senator Boniface) Charter Compliance.

Answer: (Mr. Nesbitt): Justice Canada’s assessment is that Bill S-7 would survive a Charter challenge. We’ve released a Statement to that effect.

5. Question: (Senator Boniface) Potential contention around “housekeeping” amendments.

Answer: (Ms. Gabbatt, Mr. Koops): There are no contentious proposals among those amendments.

6. Question: (Cameron Ross, Office of Senator Boniface): Difference between “area” and “perimeter” in the PCA, 2016.

Answer: (David Vicente, Manager, Preclearance): “Area” is the operational area where travellers and goods are stationed for departure to the US; “perimeter” is the physical space around the conveyance.

7. Question: (Mr. Ross) Difference in language used for amendments to the Customs Act vs. PCA, 2016 (sections 9, 12; “for greater certainty”).

Answer: (Mr. Nesbitt): The difference is a result of an asymmetry between the two laws: the Customs Act has separate sections related to detention and examination authorities, the PCA, 2016 has them bundled together.

8. Question: (Mr. Ross) Reason for the Clause 7 alignment with the Income Tax Act.

Answer: (Ms. Gabbatt): A lot of CBSA legislation is still tied to Canada’s tax regime.

Requests for additional information

  1. Supplementary outline of comparisons between the approach outlined in Bill S-7 and those used in other jurisdictions
  2. Information on the sequence of operational guidance, training, and policy milestones that led to Bill S-7
  3. A copy of Bill S-7’s Charter Statement and Q&As on Charter compliance
  4. A copy of the current CBSA policy concerning the examination of digital devices
  5. A copy of Mr. Hamilton’s remarks, which expanded on the briefing deck presentation
  6. An explanation of the Clause 7 alignment between the Customs Act and Income Tax Act
  7. An update on the status and next steps related to the Minister of Public Safety’s Mandate Letter commitment to introduce legislation to create a review body for the CBSA

(VP Millar committed to a 24hr turnaround)

Next steps

Senator Boniface anticipates opening debate in the Senate at Second Reading on Tuesday, . She expects the Bill will move to committee relatively quickly.

SECD (National Security and Defence) is the most likely subject-matter committee; LCJC (Legal and Constitutional Affairs) may also receive the referral, but less likely.

9:00 am to 9:50 am

Government Attendees

Office of the Minister of Public Safety:

  • Conor Lewis, Office of the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety
  • Emily Horonowitsch, Office of the Minister of Public Safety

Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA):

  • Julia Aceti, Director General, Traveller, Commercial, and Trade Policy
  • Graeme Hamilton, Executive Director, Traveller Policy
  • Janine Harker, Director, Commercial and Trade Policy
  • Terri Gabbatt, Manager, Traveller Facilitation and Customs Policy
  • Meaghan Kuntz, Senior Policy Advisor, Traveller Facilitation and Customs Policy
  • Nicole El-Koussaifi, Parliamentary Affairs Unit
  • Catherine Chartrand, Parliamentary Affairs Unit

Justice Canada:

Scott Nesbitt, CBSA Legal Services

Public Safety Canada:

  • Randall Koops, Director General, International and Border Policy Directorate
  • David Thelen, Director, Border Policy Division
  • David Vicente, Manager, Preclearance

Senators:

  • Gwen Boniface
  • David Wells
  • Kim Pate
  • Renee Dupuis
  • Pierette Ringuette
  • Tony Dean
  • Amina Gerba
  • Bev Busson
  • Hassan Yussuff

Summary of the English briefing

Julia Aceti, Director General, Traveller, Commercial, and Trade Policy, opened the presentation by walking through the briefing deck of the legislative proposal presentation. The presentation covered the requirement for this legislation, the case history, why it matters, and what changes are being proposed to the Customs Act and the Preclearance Act, 2016.

Overall, the briefings went well. Senators were provided with detailed answers to all of their questions. DG Aceti addressed all questions. There were no follow-ups in the English briefing, however, there was one taken on notice during the French briefing (see summary of the French briefing below).

Questions and answers

1. Question: (Senator Dupuis): the new threshold, is reasonable general concern lower than reasonable grounds to suspect?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): yes, reasonable general concern is lower than the reasonable grounds to suspect threshold. The new threshold has been designed to account for the unique border context. The main difference is that reasonable grounds to suspect threshold requires that the suspected contravention be particularized. This is often difficult in a border context as may observed indicators of potential non-compliance are behavioural in nature and cannot be easily attributed to a specific contravention. The reasonable general concern threshold does not require that the contravention be particularized but does require that the concerns be reasonable and objective.

2. Question: (Senator Wells): when a Border Services Officer (BSO) sees a traveller coming in and they look nervous, does that trigger reasonable grounds?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): Observed nervousness alone would be considered more along the lines of mere suspicion. We are proposing a threshold that that is lower than reasonable grounds to suspect, but higher than mere suspicion. Routine questioning and processing would take place first before any examination of a personal digital device. There needs to be reasonable and objective facts to initiate a digital device exam, not just mere suspicion. So, a nervous traveller alone is not enough grounds.

3. Question: (Senator Wells): does a BSO have access to criminal records of travellers?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): An officer may pick up indicators in primary inspection or causes for concern that may result in the traveller being flagged and they would be sent to secondary. An officer will have access to criminal records in the secondary examination area.

4. Question: (Senator Wells): does the US have similar authorities?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): there is a no-threshold exam in US. They have a two-tier system. If they use tech assistance to search device, that action requires reasonable suspicion. The manual search of the device has no threshold in the US.

5. Question: (Senator Wells): what about unlocking a device? Does non-compliance with providing a password equal criminality?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): a passcode must be provided to the BSO by the traveller as traveller are required to present their goods for examination. If it is not given, the officer can detain the device under the Customs Act. Yes, that is seen as non-compliance as they are required by law to give access.

6. Question: (Senator Wells): with documents that fall under solicitor-client privilege, is it a blanket exemption?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): any documents on the device marked as privilege cannot be examined. If an officer becomes aware of solicitor-client privileged documents, they will include that in their notes, but they will not access the documents.

7. Question: (Senator Wells): if a traveller has a photo album of child pornography, or a web link, on the cloud, or something that is not residing on the device, but is still accessible. What’s the dividing line between residing on the device and accessible on the device?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): a BSO can only search what is residing on the device. BSOs must disable network connectivity before searching a personal device.

8. Question: (Senator Ringuette): is this issue of threshold going to hamper the officer intuition that they developed through experience but may be difficult to articulate I’m concerned because I find that this intuition is extremely helpful.

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): we’ve considered this carefully. We’ve put forward the novel threshold to recognize that unique context and recognize that officers will develop this “intuition” as they gain experience over time. We’re trying to find that balance of offering protections to travellers while protecting the ability for officers to do what they’re able to do.

9. Question: (Senator Ringuette): does the PDD exam take place during primary or secondary?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): it takes place at secondary. Once a PDD exam is initiated, the officer is required to take notes, write down indicators, etc.

10. Question: (Senator Dean): what are you hearing by way of criticism from civil liberties associations and those who worry you might not have done all you could to protect privacy rights?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): there is not a ton of dialogue in the public domain. Civil liberties associations had some initial concern that this is new and questioned whether it goes far enough. The OPC has been engaged with this issue over the years, but we haven’t received much public feedback yet. We’re moving in a direction that the OPC has advised in the past.

11. Question: (Senator Dean): how dependent is this new process on the regulations? Are the regulations being developed concurrently?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): the threshold and regulatory changes work together to provide a robust limit. We are working concurrently to ensure that the regulations can come into force shortly after the passing of Bill S-7.

12. Question: (Senator Gerba): visible minorities face racial profiling everywhere. I have concerns about the application of such a law for visible minorities. Will officers be trained to avoid unconscious bias?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): we take this very seriously. We are ensuring that proper protections are in place and it is an important part of training. We are training our officers to guard against this bias. While our enforcement actions are not driven by racial profiling, there is always room to improve.

13. Question: (Senator Yussuff): there is not a good history for the CBSA with regards to racial profiling. There’s been enough findings on CBSA conduct. Some people are prone to act nervously. How do we have assurance that travellers can be protected against racial profiling?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): there are different training courses that we’re making more and more robust, particularly to understand unconscious bias and how different groups may interact with the CBSA differently, so that officers can factor in these dynamics as they consider indicators of concern. The concept of reasonable general concern requires a multiplicity of indicators, not just nervousness, but this is a very important issue to the Agency, and we aim to continually improve.

14. Question: (Senator Yussuff): since you are now behind on court deadline, what is the expectation of the Senate?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): there will be a gap. The legislative process needs to play out in its fullness as it should. We hope the process isn’t terribly long, but we are working with our front line officers in the impacted provinces (Ontario and Alberta) to mitigate this gap until this legislation can pass and be applied nationally.

Next steps

Senator Boniface anticipates opening debate in the Senate at Second Reading on Thursday, . She expects the Bill will move to committee relatively quickly.

SECD (National Security and Defence) is the most likely subject-matter committee; LCJC (Legal and Constitutional Affairs) may also receive the referral, but less likely.

Summary of the French briefing

Le ; de 10 h à 10 h 34

Participants du gouvernement

Cabinet du ministre de la Sécurité publique :

  • Emily Horonowitsch, Cabinet du ministre de la Sécurité publique
  • Conor Lewis, Bureau du secrétaire parlementaire du ministre de la Sécurité publique

Agence des services frontaliers du Canada (ASFC) :

  • Scott Millar, vice-président, direction générale des politiques stratégiques
  • Julia Aceti, directrice générale, politiques des voyageurs, du secteur commercial et des échanges commerciaux
  • Graeme Hamilton, directeur exécutif, politiques des voyageurs
  • Terri Gabbatt, gestionnaire, politiques et facilitation douanières des voyageurs
  • Meaghan Kuntz, conseillère principale en matière de politique, politiques et facilitation douanières des voyageurs
  • Nicole El-Koussaifi, l’unité des affaires parlementaires
  • Catherine Chartrand, l’unité des affaires parlementaires

Justice Canada :

Scott Nesbitt, avocat général, service juridique de l’ASFC

Sécurité publique Canada :

  • Randall Koops, Directeur général, Direction des politiques internationales et frontalières
  • David Thelen, directeur, Division des politiques frontalières
  • David Vincente, gestionnaire, précontrôle

Sénateurs et sénatrices :

  • Marie-Françoise Mégie
  • Jim Quinn

Le sommaire du breffage en français

Scott Millar, vice-président, Direction générale de la politique stratégique, a commencé la session d’information technique en fournissant les messages clefs ainsi qu’un aperçu du projet de loi de haut niveau. Julia Aceti, directrice générale, politiques des voyageurs, du secteur commercial et des échanges commerciaux, a ensuite offert un aperçu plus détaillé, soit en présentant la présentation au sujet de la proposition législative.

Dans l’ensemble, la séance s’est bien déroulée et les membres d’un Sénat n’avaient qu’une seule question, concernant la fouille d’un appareil numérique d’individu sans précédent criminel.

Questions et réponses

1. Question : (Sénatrice Mégie) : comment l’agent douanier gère la trouvaille de photos illicites trouvée sur un téléphone d’un individu sans antécédent criminel?

Réponse : (Scott Millar/Julia Aceti, l’ASFC) : les indicateurs doivent être en contravention de la Loi des douanes, et non une contravention criminelle. L’agent observe les indicateurs, et le contexte/détails est moins important que les indicateurs/soupçons de l’agent.

Demandes d’informations supplémentaires

1. La question de sénatrice Mégie sera acheminée à la SP/ASFC par écrit afin que l’ASFC puisse fournir des détails approfondis.

Prochaines étapes

Le sénateur Boniface prévoit ouvrir le débat au Sénat à la deuxième lecture le jeudi . Elle s’attend à ce que le projet de loi passe relativement rapidement en comité.

Le SECD (sécurité nationale et défense) est le comité thématique le plus probable ; le LCJC (affaires juridiques et constitutionnelles) peut également recevoir le renvoi, mais c’est moins probable.

12:30 pm to 1:20 pm

Attendees

Office of the Minister of Public Safety:

Conor Lewis, Office of the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety

Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA):

  • Julia Aceti, Director General, Traveller, Commercial, and Trade Policy
  • Graeme Hamilton, Executive Director, Traveller Policy
  • Terri Gabbatt, Manager, Traveller Facilitation and Customs Policy
  • Meaghan Kuntz, Senior Policy Advisor, Traveller Facilitation and Customs Policy
  • Nicole El-Koussaifi, Parliamentary Affairs Unit

Justice Canada:

Scott Nesbitt, CBSA Legal Services

Public Safety Canada:

  • Randall Koops, Director General, International and Border Policy Directorate
  • David Thelen, Director, Border Policy Division
  • David Vicente, Manager, Preclearance

Senate of Canada:

Senator David Wells

Summary of the briefing

Julia Aceti, Director General, Traveller, Commercial, and Trade Policy, opened the meeting by walking through a high-level version of the legislative proposal since Senator Wells attended the all-Senators briefing on . The presentation covered the new threshold (reasonable general concern), the typical process at the border (for example, when a referral to secondary screening would be done), scenarios of travellers processed in secondary at the border, and the outcomes of examinations (for example, fines, destruction or detainment of goods, referral to police of jurisdiction, etc.).

Overall, the briefing went well. Senator Wells was provided with answers to all of his questions by Julia Aceti, Scott Nesbitt and Randall Koops. There were no follow-ups required, however, Senator Wells requested that officials be available for future briefings should he require one. Officials confirmed they were at the Senator’s disposal and would be available to brief on S-7 again.

Questions and answers

1. Question: Would every CBSA officer that has a responsibility to do searches at secondary have that training? Or is there a separate category of officers who would be able to conduct these exams?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): Officers conducting examinations would be required to complete the training. Over time, we would make that training wide-spread. It takes time to get officers trained.

2. Question: If in secondary, there’s an officer that doesn’t have the training, would they be permitted to do the PDD search?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): No, the supervisor needs to make sure the officer should be trained.

3. Question: In primary, with reasonable general concern, who gets the training, who does the search, who decides the reasonable general concern, etc.?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): The next part of the presentation will provide greater insight on your questions.

4. Question: If every traveller is pre-screened, I am assuming there is some kind of list? Is that what pre-screening is?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): If there are any wants or warrants, it is flagged in primary, then the traveller is referred to secondary. There could be police of jurisdiction engaged as well. We are pre-screening for terrorism, national security issues, etc. Pre-screening is happening before primary as the information is coming from airline carriers.

5. Question: You mentioned that S-7 is policy being moved into law. Is that the policy today – that the device be turned on airplane mode? How long has it been in place?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): Yes, that is the policy today. It has been in place since 2015. An officer is required by policy to disconnect connectivity to a network.

6. Question: What happens in instances where the officer does not indicate the choice of turning off connectivity to a traveller?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): Officer undertakes this action themselves and could advise traveller it is taking place, but the officer must put the device on airplane mode.

7. Question: Would there be instance where a CBSA officer would delete something they found that may not have reached something at the level of chargeable offence?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): No, officers do not delete material on PDDs.

8. Question: Where on the device (like, in the instance of child pornography) would be the first place an officer would look in an airplane mode state? How does that work without connectivity?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): If we’re talking about undeclared goods, it could be a receipt on email. Photos could be searched as well. It depends on the case and the indicators of that case, but we’re reviewing things that are resident on the phone.

9. Question: Is no action from a traveller (in other words, not providing a password for a PDD) considered hindering a BSO?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): It could be considered as such under s.13. The CBSA officer could detain the device under s.101 and send the device to forensics if the traveller does not unlock the device. Travellers’ refusal to unlock their device could be another indicator, but not the sole requirement to meet the threshold. The password to the PDD is written on a separate piece of paper and then given back to the traveller to destroy. It is not recorded in an officer’s notebook.

10. Question: Are BSOs looking for something specific? For example, if an officer suspects that a person has child pornography or other contraband material? How do you hone in on something specific when you don’t know the connection between reasonable general concern and child pornography?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): Contraventions have to relate to border legislation. We’re not zeroing in on a particularized contravention. We’re looking for broader inference, but constrained to border legislation. This stops short of needing a particularized indicator. Officers are making these assessments based on limited information as it is presented at the border. There could be a variety of contraventions manifesting in the same way. Example, e-receipts for undeclared jewellery, contraband material like child pornography, etc.

11. Question: With reasonable general concern, can it be triggered by one indicator?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): There could be cases of one strong indicator. It depends on the facts of case.

12. Question: What is a typical indicator? Is it a behavioural indicator?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): It could be a combination of behavioural changes with the specifics of the case. For example, we would be looking at the trip, length of trip, inability for traveller to answer questions, etc. We know that a lot of travellers can feel behave differently when being screened because they are tired from travelling, etc., but that is not a strong enough indicator on its own.

13. Question: Let’s just talk about phones. Aside from the indicator of a traveller coming in with multiple hard drives, what would be the other indicator for someone coming across with one carry on, one bag, etc. It’s a pretty low bar. I’m trying to get to why a person would be targeted if the bar is so low that it’s enough for a CBSA agent during primary to refer to secondary?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): The vast majority of travellers with one phone, one piece of luggage, etc. are unlikely to be set aside for examination (less than 1%). Perhaps you could have a scenario where a traveller has an expensive watch and is asked about the value of the watch, whether it was declared, among other things, but they cannot provide compelling information. The vast majority of travellers are processed through primary without being referred to secondary. It could also be the routing of the trip. For example, a single male traveller coming from a destination that is known for sex tourism. Additional, if the provided details are shifting, they cannot provide proof, they cannot negate indicators, then those pieces of information would be gathered to reach the reasonable general concern threshold.

14. Question: If someone is coming from an area that is known for sex tourism, and it’s a single male (whatever age is common), what happens if that person has something on the cloud or has an email attachment that is not openable without connectivity? What happens then? What compels the officer to get the password, but not tell traveller to put on airplane mode? Is the CBSA officer compelled to tell the traveller they have that right to put the device on airplane mode?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): Officers must disable connectivity, then indicate that to the traveller. It happens every time. Officers are obligated to do that.

15. Question: Well, it doesn’t always happen every time because it happened to me.

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): Then that BSO is not meeting his or her obligations and not abiding by the policy they must be following.

16. Question: Let’s talk about subconscious bias. Is that part of training?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): This is a very important issue that we are aware of. Our targeting processes are not triggered by racial profiling. Unconscious bias is recognized and there are training courses for all CBSA employees, including BSOs.

17. Question: Why reasonable general concern? Can’t get a lower threshold other than no threshold.

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): We are going higher than no threshold or mere suspicion. Reasonable general concern allows for objective indicators. The requirement for particularized suspicion is different between both thresholds (reasonable general concern and reasonable grounds to suspect). Evidence of a contravention could be found for offences at the border in a more general way under the new threshold. For example, prohibited goods. So, reasonable grounds to suspect is used at the border for personal searches, skin searches. This is more invasive. The reasonable general concern threshold is lower than that degree of invasiveness.

18. Question: Are skin searches typical when there is a suspicion of drugs?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): It can be when there is primary suspicion.

19. Question: Regarding the US, what is their threshold and have you been working with US border agency regarding their threshold and how their requirements might match ours?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): There is currently no threshold in the US unless they are using technology to search the phone.

Answer: (Randall Koops, PS): Principally, the bill is concerned with the exercise of those powers by US preclearance officers in Canada. They would be subject to the same threshold and same standard as CBSA officers. The US is well aware these cases are making their way through the system and is well aware of the bill. We are in close discussions with them. Nothing that the Canadian government has done here comes as a surprise to the US. Ministerial Direction can be employed by Minister quickly to impose legally binding conditions on preclearance officers and regulations are the longer term tool. The intent is that the conditions imposed on US officers in Canada would mirror that of CBSA officers. Provisions in S-7 mirror those for the Customs Act to differentiate PDD from regular goods and create that different threshold for different classes of materials.

20. Question: How many airports have this facility where CBSA officers are at an airport outside of Canada and they’re doing preclearance?

Answer: (Randall Koops, PS): There are no Canadian preclearance officers in the US. Work is underway to establish Canadian preclearance for travellers bound to Canada.

21. Question: Is reasonable general concern low enough for BSOs to effectively do their work?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): This threshold strikes the balance to provide protections and to maintain operational integrity at the border. It is lower than reasonable grounds to suspect, but it is still maintaining those two features.

22. Question: Part of my job is to make sure this doesn’t go to court. “Reasonable general concern” are three words that have a lot of flexibility. Why isn’t something more specific, something more metric, like one indicator or two indicators before a traveller is sent to secondary? Why isn’t it something more iron clad?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): We are looking at each word. “Reasonable” means that indicators need to be objective and articulable. “General” is to get at this distinction that we do not need to have a particularized contravention identified. “Concern” is to distinguish it from suspicion and the existing case law making it clear that this is novel and for the border.

23. Question: Reasonable grounds of concern is not tight enough to eliminate a court challenge…

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): We do feel this is Charter compliant, but I will turn to Scott Nesbitt to provide more details.

Answer: (Scott Nesbitt, Justice): The intent is to create new threshold, so that we are creating something new between mere suspicion and reasonable grounds to suspect in this threshold continuum. The truth is, it’s new and the precise meaning will be elaborated over time. The meaning needs to be flexible because context is different in any given case. Your previous example is a great one to think about. You can’t say it’s one or two indicators because some are stronger than others. It’s a contextual assessment, not a mathematical formula. It depends on constellation of factors. It is correct to focus on each of the three words. A reasonable concern is objectively verifiable. It’s not a hunch that a BSO can’t explain, they must articulate the basis for that and satisfy the judge.

24. Question: Is that why note-taking takes place?

Answer: (Scott Nesbitt, Justice): Yes. It’s an accountability measure to make sure BSOs are respecting the limits of their authority. The general wording is important because it’s meant not to require a specific contravention be identified, because in the border context, that level of specificity is not available. We don’t want lack of specificity to hinder an officer to proceed with an examination. “Concern” distinguishes it from suspicion or belief. So, there is a degree of elevated concern about that device compared to other travellers. Right now, there’s no threshold under s.99(1)(a). This new threshold distinguishes a new authority from what currently exists.

25. Question: Let’s say a traveller has financial instruments, or someone is coming in with child pornography or drugs. Are there different indicators that our BSOs would see based on what kind of law is being broken? How do they know? How does their training or experience help?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): Pre-screening can help. The routing, the location, the demographics, the duration, the baggage, etc. can come together to form an indicator. For example, a single young woman, travelling from a known drug source country, on a ticket was purchased in cash by a third party. That scenario could result in more further questioning and referral to secondary. These things, like the circumstances of the trip, mount to reach that threshold. There is officer experience, but this is backed up by intelligence and previous enforcement records. This helps refine that expertise they’re bringing to bear.

26. Question: So, travellers coming from Bogota would more likely be subject to an exam when compared to travellers from Nashville?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): I don’t have that data. It depends on each traveller. A traveller coming from Bogota is not an indicator alone. There can be one strong indicator, but that alone would not qualify as a strong indicator. More information would be required.

27. Question: You talked about travellers coming from countries as part of a flag of concern where there might be proclivity of child sex trafficking and drug trafficking, how does that factor in?

Answer: (Julia Aceti, CBSA): How a traveller presents themselves with the routing information of their trip is assessed. Again, simply coming from a country known for sex tourism or drug trafficking is not a strong enough indicator alone.

28. Question: Can US officers search the cloud? Do they have that allowance?

Answer: (Randall Koops, PS): At the moment, they cannot. They have an internal policy which required them to put all PDD on airplane mode prior to a search. We propose those kinds of regulations for preclearance officers in US be implemented as well.

29. Question: Question for MO, how come this was introduced in the Senate and not the House of Commons?

Answer: (Conor Lewis, Minister’s Office): This bill is important and it would take a lot of time to get this bill through the House. We need Senators’ keen eyes on this and it’s important to get this bill passed.

30. Question: So, is the government open to amendments?

Answer: (Conor Lewis, Minister’s Office): I wouldn’t know and it’s not my place to comment, but we are grateful for the Senate’s work on this file.

Next steps

Once debate at Second Reading is completed and if the bill is adopted, the bill will be referred to SECD (National Security and Defence).

Summary of second reading debates in the Senate

Overview

Overall tone of debate was curious / cautious or oppositional. Subsequent to Senator Boniface’s introduction, responsive speeches were given by three senators. Most questions during debate were from senators who were not in attendance at the technical briefing.

Summary

Senator Gwen Boniface (Ontario)


Independent Senate Group (ISG)

Speech

Summary:

  • Importance of personal digital devices exams as part of delivering the CBSA mandate
  • Differentiating existing no threshold exam from newly proposed “reasonable general concern”
  • Discussed the existing jurisprudence and case law surrounding personal digital device examination
  • Expressed need for, and difficulty in gathering, indicators
  • Importance to move quickly on the Bill so as to not prolong leg gap

Paula Simons (Alberta)


Independent Senate Group (ISG)

Speech

Notes:

  • Tone was oppositional
  • Discussed limited outcomes of exams, and untested legal threshold
  • Took the position that the Canfield called for "reasonable suspicion"
  • Published her speech on Twitter (picked up by civil liberties groups and defense lawyers) and continued sentiments in a Hills Times piece

Summary:

  • Devices hold personal information: devices hold our most intimate and embarrassing secrets
  • New threshold with no existing precedent: stated that court did not specify what it thought a proper constitutional threshold would be, but it suggested it might be something akin to “reasonable suspicion,” as opposed to the more stringent standard of “reasonable and probable grounds”
  • Reasonable general concern is too low: fuzzy, ill-defined threshold, one that opens the doors to all kinds of possible misapplication or abuse
  • New threshold allows racial profiling: officers would identify “someone who is Black or Muslim or Chinese or Indigenous. Or someone who is queer. Or someone who wears unconventional clothes. Or someone on the autism spectrum”
  • Existence of reasonable suspicion in the Customs Act: obvious legal threshold to conduct a search already exists with personal searches and mail so why are we not using the same
  • Unencumbered access to devices: officers conduct fishing expeditions into “our texts and photos, our love notes, our bank statements, our SkipTheDishes orders, our Amazon purchases, our dating history and our private health and fitness data”
  • No balance between privacy and law: Bill S-7 lowers the bar for a search, diminishes privacy rights and grants officers more latitude to pry into personal devices. The novel legal threshold will create confusion and will undoubtedly become the subject of aggressive litigation
  • Child pornography across the border is not the main vehicle into Canada: most child porn is not imported into this country physically, carried on individual personal computers, it is traded online
  • Targeting based on political views: travellers could be targeted for phone and computer searches based on their political views (links to treasonous or seditious material)

David M. Wells (Newfoundland and Labrador)


Conservative

Speech

Notes:

  • Tone was oppositional
  • Discussed delay of legislation introduction by the opposition, untested legal threshold, exams lacking transparency, profiling and bias as reason for examinations
  • Raised concerns related to the use of indicators and possible racial bias

Summary:

  • Speed of policy implementation: Government that is both highly reactive in its policy-making and extremely slow
  • Existence of current legal gap in both Alberta and Ontario
  • Bill S-7 is a copy and paste policy exercise: use of existing internal CBSA policies to put them into law and it took 18 months and counting
  • “Reasonable general concern” too low and vague: could, in fact, mean almost anything, if the CBSA officer said a traveller looked nervous, that would be grounds for a full search of a device
  • Previous examination regime had no protections at all: exams are highly subjective, could be a single indicator or racial profiling and that Canadians are searched for no valid reason
  • New threshold has no precedent: need to understand why the simple codification of CBSA’s policy is the best approach
  • No limits seem to exist: implied that the Government has actually not engaged in such an exercise as part of this proposal as regulations have not been seen
  • Access to devices: officers may be able to access everything including the Cloud. Told personal story where officers reviewed Visa statements in relation to declaration
  • Need for balance: want to provide officers with sufficient capacity to intercept obscene or otherwise illegal materials but, at the same time, give Canadians the assurance that their privacy will not be compromised where there are absolutely no grounds
  • Inform travellers of disabling network connectivity: may be appropriate to also advise travellers that this is being done, to improve their confidence that their privacy is being protected, but also ensure that only illegal material stored on the device is accessible by CBSA officers
  • Miscellaneous amendments: expressed concern with decreasing maximum penalty for interfering with a CBSA officer (limited connection device exams, which it isn’t) – Note: intent of actual change is to make it a hybrid offence

Pierre J. Dalphond (Quebec)


Progressive Senate Group (PSG)

Speech

Notes:

  • Tone was neutral to supportive
  • Discussed the legal considerations and stressed the importance of conducting a thorough review

Summary:

  • Need for balance: between protecting privacy rights and upholding the law and that there is a need for a threshold
  • Different legal thresholds at play within law enforcement: they must be subject to objective analysis, supported by factual elements and permit an independent judicial assessment
  • Testing “reasonable general concern”: it is an unknown concept in the law, and a court will have to examine its standing in combination with the binding regulations
  • Committee should focus on:
    • pros and the cons of a new threshold in connection with documents found on personal digital devices rather than applying an existing test, reasonable suspicion (used in mail)
    • existence or not of equivalent thresholds in other democratic societies
    • hear evidence from legal experts about the ability of the proposed threshold to survive future legal challenges
  • Resulting threshold: may be a bit lower than reasonable suspicion but may not be far from it

Annex: Questions asked during tech briefings and speeches

Note: Questions by members of the National Security and Defence Standing Committee (SECD) are marked with the label SECD

Legislative threshold

Honourable Renée Dupuis (Independent Senators Group)

English technical briefing

Question: The new threshold, is reasonable general concern lower than reasonable grounds to suspect?

Answer: Yes, reasonable general concern is lower than the reasonable grounds to suspect threshold. The new threshold has been designed to account for the unique border context. The main difference is that reasonable grounds to suspect threshold requires that the suspected contravention be particularized. This is often difficult in a border context as may observed indicators of potential non-compliance are behavioural in nature and cannot be easily attributed to a specific contravention. The reasonable general concern threshold does not require that the contravention be particularized but does require that the concerns be reasonable and objective.

Honourable David Wells (Conservative Party of Canada)

English technical briefing

Question: When a BSO sees a traveller coming in and they look nervous, does that trigger reasonable grounds?

Answer: Observed nervousness alone would be considered more along the lines of mere suspicion. We are proposing a threshold that that is lower than reasonable grounds to suspect, but higher than mere suspicion. Routine questioning and processing would take place first before any examination of a personal digital device. There needs to be reasonable and objective facts to initiate a digital device exam, not just mere suspicion. So, a nervous traveller alone is not enough grounds.

Honourable Pierrette Ringuette (Independent Senators Group)

English technical briefing

Question: Is this issue of threshold going to hamper the officer intuition that they developed through experience but may be difficult to articulate I’m concerned because I find that this intuition is extremely helpful.

Answer: We’ve considered this carefully. We’ve put forward the novel threshold to recognize that unique context and recognize that officers will develop this “intuition” as they gain experience over time. We’re trying to find that balance of offering protections to travellers while protecting the ability for officers to do what they’re able to do.

Honorable Bev Busson (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – April 28

Question: Can you assure me that the creation of this threshold will not negatively impact the operations and efficiency of our border officers?

Answer (Boniface): What know as a result of the Canfield decision in Alberta that the court has left the CBSA with the options of creating something less than the threshold that they are living with now, which is actually a higher threshold in Alberta and Ontario, which I spoke about.

For CBSA, I think it is an obligation on which they have little choice, and I think they have shown to be particularly adept at shifting and moving into what will be this legislative model. They’ve also started to think particularly about how they will do their training. I think all of that convinces me, and I’m certainly convinced from our discussions with them — I hope the committee feels the same way — that they are prepared for the shift and that it will be very much a reflection of the policy that they’ve been working under since 2019.

Honourable Paula Simons (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – April 28

Question: I have a concern on a civil liberties perspective of the creation of a novel test of “reasonable general concern” because there is no precedent for this in Canadian law. There is no definition of what this means in Canadian law. Under the Customs Act, in order to look at old-fashioned paper mail, an officer must suspect on reasonable grounds. In the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, an enhanced search only comes if the officer believes on reasonable grounds, and the court in the Canfield case suggested a test of reasonable suspicion.

I am perplexed as to why the government felt it necessary to create a completely new standard of reasonable general concern which has no precedent in Canadian law; as I understand it, there is no precedent anywhere in the Commonwealth. I’m worried that might open the door for searches that are more aggressive than they were under the regime of regulations that border agents were using beforehand.

Answer (Boniface): How Canfield was interpreted — and I hope I spoke clearly on it — was that the court recognized there would be something between what would be the routine check and the reasonable grounds. I will send you the paragraph number to be clear.

They said it would be somewhere in between. It is novel. However, when you refer to other countries, let me also say that in the United States, in the United Kingdom and in Australia, the threshold is actually lower than what Canada is putting in here in its place. When we compare this to some of our like jurisdictions, this is actually a higher standard than exists in other jurisdictions.

That is an important question and that is why I said at the end of my speech that the committee that has the privilege to look at this bill needs to ask these questions. It is a unique circumstance at the border. Devices are unique in terms of the time frame that border officers have to look at them and to make their decisions. I think how they built in some of the accountability for officers is an important mechanism that helps us flesh it out. There is no doubt that the courts will have to look at this at some point; it will be challenged, and they will have to look at it. I am extremely hopeful that we will be in a position where we recognize the balance that must be taken in this case. I encourage those at the committee that sees this to make sure you ask those questions.

Honourable David Wells (Conservative Party of Canada)

Second reading speech – April 28

Question: You talked about the multiplicity of indicators. How do you define “reasonable general concern” or, in fact, “lower than reasonable general concern”? What sort of indicators or behaviours would a CBSA officer look for? I am mostly concerned about this lower bar. If I come off an eight-hour flight, I’m at the airport, and if I don’t get sleep, I’m irritated, maybe dishevelled, not my normal absolutely pleasant self, how would a CBSA officer know that’s not my general nature?

Answer (Boniface): I want to be clear that the “reasonable general concern” is legislated but not as high as “reasonable grounds.” To be clear, that is the difference. In fact, prior to Canfield, there was no threshold requirement; it was part of a routine search. I want to make sure that is clear.

You raise the same question that Senator Omidvar spoke to on the indicators. As I said, this is the work that CBSA officers do every day. They may ask you a question, not knowing you are Senator Wells, such as, “What do you have with you? What’s on your phone?” for instance. You may indicate, “nothing.” Then they will question further to see if they can get some indicators. They look for issues like avoidance in answering the questions. They look for people who are nervous.

It is important to remember that they work in this environment every day, so they take into consideration whether you have an explanation for the way you are acting or the way that you appear. They are professional in what they do. They are trained to look for this type of thing. The fact that they have to make notes around the personal devices is an important step in terms of any challenges they may have but also to ensure that, as they do this over time — which isn’t that often, as you can tell from the statistics — they will become very good at it. It is important to remember that this is what they do every day; it is not unique to this.

Honourable Renée Dupuis (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – May 10

Question: Senator Wells, in your speech, you stated that Bill S-7 introduces a new criterion. That is the case. You referred to the comments of other senators who criticize this bill for introducing a new concept. Wouldn’t you say that the study you would like a committee to carry out — and I believe it is important to carry out this study — should not focus on whether a new concept is being introduced?

The problem is not that this is a new concept, because it was the Court of Appeal itself that introduced it. When the Court of Appeal states that the existing concept may be too strict for the situation we want to address, the legislator could favour a less-strict concept that creates fewer obligations for customs officers.
The fact that it is a new concept is therefore to be expected, but shouldn’t we focus instead on whether the concept chosen by the government in its bill is legally appropriate for the situation we want to address?
We should also not be engaging in scare tactics. As new concepts are often introduced into new laws, should we not instead determine whether this concept chosen by the government is appropriate in the context we want to cover in this bill?

Answer (Wells): Senator Dupuis, you’re absolutely right, that’s what the Court of Appeal said. The new concept chosen by the government is “reasonable general concern,” and that’s what I have issues with because, to me, there is no limit to what might trigger a search. We’re supposed to be given comfort by the fact that we are told they’ll take notes. Well, the notes will be there to protect CBSA, for sure; they won’t be there to protect the individual, in my opinion. They will say the person looked nervous or that it didn’t appear that he was from Canada or whatever. He was sweating and fidgety.

I think that the bar of reasonable general concern — which, exactly as you said, is the new concept presented by the government, which, I guess, follows advice from CBSA — is too low for the protection of the individual’s privacy rights that every law-abiding Canadian should be afforded.

Honourable Paula Simons (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – May 11

Question: I had a question because you, of course, bring to the chamber your experience as a judge. If you were on the Court of Appeal and a case came to you that had this threshold test of reasonable general concern, what is the process for a court to look at such a novel test that has no precedent in Canadian law? How do you adjudicate it?

Answer (Dalphond): Yes, I will be careful not to try to give an answer to colleagues that are still doing the work. The first and most critical element will be the content of the regulations to be adopted by the minister of the government because they will provide some indicators — like taking notes and having a record of what was done in what type of circumstances — because what the courts will not accept is a process which is not reviewable by the court.
The word “reasonable,” within the rest of the sentence, normally refers to something that is an objective criterion. The court, in order to find if this objective criterion has been met, will have to get a record that shows, for example, how it was applied, what the questions were, whether the device was disconnected from the cloud — because you are entitled to search only the device, not outside the device — and whether there are notes taken because the officer may not remember because perhaps he has done hundreds since then. All factors that are critical will be found, unfortunately, not in the law, but in the regulations because the concept is undefined in the law. As I said, it will have to be fleshed out by the courts, and the courts will be careful to balance all the interests at stake. You may end up with criteria that are a bit lower than reasonable suspicion but maybe not far from it.

Regulations

Honourable Tony Dean (Independent Senators Group)

English technical briefing Question by member of the SECD

Question: How dependent is this new process on the regulations? Are the regulations being developed concurrently?

Answer: The threshold and regulatory changes work together to provide a robust limit. We are working concurrently to ensure that the regulations can come into force shortly after the passing of Bill S-7.

Honourable David Wells (Conservative Party of Canada)

English technical briefing

Question: If a traveller has a photo album of child pornography, or a web link, on the cloud, or something that is not residing on the device, but is still accessible. What’s the dividing line between residing on the device and accessible on the device?

Answer: A BSO can only search what is residing on the device. BSOs must disable network connectivity before searching a personal device.

Honourable Tony Dean (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – April 28

Question: I note that the proposed amendments to the Customs Act and the Preclearance Act will be accompanied by regulatory changes, and we all know from experience that those regulations can lag behind the legislation or the amendments themselves, and we often have to confront this. I suspect we will have to confront it in this case.

What you can tell us about whether there will be some delay? And could I ask — and I’m not doing this on my own behalf but on behalf of all senators here — that you communicate to the minister that the narrower that gap, the better for everybody concerned and, indeed, the stakeholders and those who will be affected by the amendments?

Answer (Boniface): Thank you for the question. From the briefings I’ve had with CBSA, they are working on the regulations already. They are very aware that the regulations and the legislation will best serve the officers and the community as they move forward in having them as closely aligned as possible. That was a question raised during the briefing by one of our colleagues, and he was reassured that is, in fact, their goal. As you know, and as you said, regulations tend to drag. I think they are very cognizant of that. I will reiterate that back to Canada Border Services Agency. I expect our colleagues on the committee to which this is referred will be looking for that level of reassurance as well.

Honourable David Wells (Conservative Party of Canada)

Second reading speech – April 28

Question: Because the proposed law says they have to shut down network connectivity before they do a search, do you think it would be reasonable in the legislation for them to advise that the traveller has the right to shut down connectivity? Under policy, they have no obligation to tell the passenger anything.

Do you think it is reasonable under the legislation that they would have the obligation to do that — something like the Miranda law, where someone is given certain rights if they are under suspicion?

Answer (Boniface): The question you ask is so specific that I would request that you ask it of the CBSA officers when they come before us. In fairness, I have not stood in their shoes to know exactly the step-by-step process. For me, that is how I best understand it. I would suggest that you put the question on the step-by-step process. You raise a fair question in terms of to what extent they have to inform. I think that when you learn how they walk through it in practice, that might be much better than any answer I could give you.

Honourable Lucie Moncion (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – May 10

Question: you did speak a little bit about airplane mode. I don’t know if your phone is different from mine, but switching to airplane mode is just the flick of a finger. However, border officers can also flick it off. Then airplane mode is off, and they can go through your phone. You didn’t touch a lot on this. As critic of the bill, I would like to hear from you on this.

Answer (Wells): Thank you, Senator Moncion. You’re correct; it’s easy to do. Unlocking a phone is easy to do — the facial scan or, on some, the thumb print or simply the password.

From my understanding — and I think it was in Senator Boniface’s second reading speech, and indeed in one of the two briefings I had from departmental officials — you are required to give your password to unlock the phone. That is a requirement. If you choose not to give the password, then CBSA has the right to hold the phone and unlock it in whatever ways they unlock phones.

I can’t remember the exact term, but CBSA told me that their policy was that they would only search it in non-connectivity mode. I call it airplane mode, and, yes, it’s easy to switch it off. If they do that, then obviously they would be violating their own policy, as they did in my case. In fact, I didn’t even put it in airplane mode because I didn’t know that was a choice I had. I think it’s a fundamental right, and Canadians should be told that they have a choice, certainly if it’s under policy. If it’s under law, they may not have that right.
You’re right that taking it off airplane mode is simple, but their policy — and this is what they told me — is that their searches can only be conducted without connectivity. Taking it off airplane mode is very simple, and perhaps if we make an amendment to the bill, it will be in law that they have to be informed. I think that would be an amendment that would be worthy of consideration for the protection of the rights of Canadians.

International practices

Honourable David Wells (Conservative Party of Canada)

English technical briefing

Question: Does the US have similar authorities?

Answer: There is a no-threshold exam in US. They have a two-tier system. If they use tech assistance to search device, that action requires reasonable suspicion. The manual search of the device has no threshold in the US.

Honourable Yuen Pau Woo (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – April 28

Question: You just said that the standard used is higher than that used in the United States. That raises the question of the pre-clearance agreements that we have with the Americans and the changes to pre‑clearance that will be affected by this bill. Is there a need to negotiate with the Americans for this to happen?

Answer (Boniface): The discussions with the U.S. government have already taken place. They already understand. Of course, because they operate in our state, in Canada, they already have to conform to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Consequently, they are well versed on this already and are prepared to move forward.

Indicators

Honourable David Wells (Conservative Party of Canada)

English technical briefing

Question: Does a BSO have access to criminal records of travellers?

Answer: An officer may pick up indicators in primary inspection or causes for concern that may result in the traveller being flagged and they would be sent to secondary. An officer will have access to criminal records in the secondary examination area.

Honourable Marie-Françoise Mégie (Independent Senators Group)

French technical briefing

Question: Qu’est ce qui arrive dans une circonstance ou par exemple un médecin qui vient au Canada pour participer dans une conférence pédiatrie arrive avec les photos médicales des enfants. Comment l’agent douanier gère si les photos illicites sont découvertes sur un téléphone d’un individu sans antécédent criminel?

Réponses: Les indicateurs doivent être en contravention de la Loi des douanes, et non une contravention criminelle. L’agent observe les indicateurs, et le contexte/détails est moins important que les indicateurs/soupçons de l’agent.

Honourable Ratna Omidvar (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – April 28

Question: How can we contract CBSA officers to appropriately judge behaviour and whether or not that is an expression of real concern or an expression of some mental health condition or other physical condition? I need clarity there.

Answer (Boniface): They have such a unique role and they have such a short interaction. In fact, this is what they do every day. This is how they are trained. With every person they meet, they are making an assessment of what that interaction means and what the indicators are.

As they move on issues regarding personal devices, they would be sent to secondary for that examination to take place. You would have the interaction of more than one person as well. But this is what customs officers do every day. They make those assessments based on the questions they ask and based on the types of behavioural things that they observe. Like the rest of people in those fields, they are tested on their accuracy. I just want to draw to your attention, again on the personal devices — what we would call the hit rate — the fact that 27% of them are actually finding contraband on those, which tells me that they are actually doing quite well when you compare it to any other area of work like that. They are very focused and looking for the right stuff.

Honourable Colin Deacon (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – April 28

Question: The officers only have the opportunity to view the data on the phone — not on the cloud but on the phone. At that point, they can make a judgment. Is the next judgment that they make about retaining the device, or do they somehow capture information from the device? If they do capture it, what is done in terms of how that’s held or subsequently destroyed because of findings? Can you help me a bit in that regard?

Answer (Boniface): So much depends on the specifics of what they find and what they do. One important piece — and I mentioned it in my speech — is if it comes to the point of a criminal investigation, such as the one you refer to, that would normally be referred to a different area. The material would be held — the phone — and then they would send it over for an investigation, which would likely then go to the local police to lay the charge.

The distinction is what the device initially is looking for is regulatory contraventions under the regime of the customs legislation. I should have mentioned it at some other point, but they have 90 different pieces of legislation that are covered under the contraventions. The criminal piece is normally done by the local police service, so it would be a connection then. Then they do a criminal investigation that’s separate and apart from it. That’s normally how the process would work locally.

Honourable David Richards (Canadian Senators Group)

Second reading speech – May 10 Question by member of the SECD

Question: I’m wondering about a “reasonable indicator.” Do you have any idea what that might be? It is a very subjective thing by border guards. Running into them in Norway and Spain, I know what it can be like. Sometimes they are not very objective. What would be a reasonable indicator in your mind in Canada?

Answer (Wells): I wish I knew. I know in Senator Boniface’s second reading speech last Thursday she noted that these officers are professionals. They have experience. They know how to pick up cues.
I have no experience. I do not know how to pick up these cues. You might have someone who has not shaved in three days, has not had a shower in four days, does not dress well and they could be fine, upstanding citizens having a bad week; or you could have members of the clergy coming through with their collars on; or you could have fine, upstanding, apparently well-shaven and well-bathed people who come in who could have the worst kind of stuff on their devices. I do not know. There are professionals who do know. I am not one of them.

Racial bias

Honourable Amina Gerba (Progressive Senate Group)

English technical briefing

Question: Visible minorities face racial profiling everywhere. I have concerns about the application of such a law for visible minorities. Will officers be trained to avoid unconscious bias?

Answer: We take this very seriously. We are ensuring that proper protections are in place and it is an important part of training. We are training our officers to guard against this bias. While our enforcement actions are not driven by racial profiling, there is always room to improve.

Honourable Hassan Yussuff (Independent Senators Group)

English technical briefing Question by member of the SECD

Question: There is not a good history for the CBSA with regards to racial profiling. There’s been enough findings on CBSA conduct. Some people are prone to act nervously. How do we have assurance that travellers can be protected against racial profiling?

Answer: There are different training courses that we’re making more and more robust, particularly to understand unconscious bias and how different groups may interact with the CBSA differently, so that officers can factor in these dynamics as they consider indicators of concern. The concept of reasonable general concern requires a multiplicity of indicators, not just nervousness, but this is a very important issue to the Agency, and we aim to continually improve.

Honourable Mary Jane McCallum (Non-Affiliated)

Second reading speech – April 28

Question: When you talk about the challenge of getting it right in terms of legal issues surrounding Indigenous people, it has always been — and continues to be — problematic, especially with racial profiling. To me, 27% finding contraband is very low. How long will the guards have to search for these sites that are often super-encrypted? If we are going to be fair, don’t you think it should apply to all Canadians?

Answer (Boniface): I can’t fully answer the question, Senator McCallum, but I would be happy to send you a response that will hopefully help answer your question. I do know that the racial profiling issue will be an important question to be answered at committee.

Passwords

Honourable David Wells (Conservative Party of Canada)

English technical briefing

Question: What about unlocking a device? Does non-compliance with providing a password equal criminality?

Answer: A passcode must be provided to the BSO by the traveller as traveller are required to present their goods for examination. If it is not given, the officer can detain the device under the Customs Act. Yes, that is seen as non-compliance as they are required by law to give access.

Solicitor-client privilege

Honourable David Wells (Conservative Party of Canada)

English technical briefing

Question: With documents that fall under solicitor-client privilege, is it a blanket exemption?

Answer: Any documents on the device marked as privilege cannot be examined. If an officer becomes aware of solicitor-client privileged documents, they will include that in their notes, but they will not access the documents.

Border processing

Honourable Pierrette Ringuette (Independent Senators Group)

English technical briefing

Question: Does the PDD exam take place during primary or secondary?

Answer: It takes place at secondary. Once a PDD exam is initiated, the officer is required to take notes, write down indicators, etc.

Privacy

Honourable Tony Dean (Independent Senators Group)

English technical briefing Question by member of the SECD

Question: What are you hearing by way of criticism from civil liberties associations and those who worry you might not have done all you could to protect privacy rights?

Answer: There is not a ton of dialogue in the public domain. Civil liberties associations had some initial concern that this is new and questioned whether it goes far enough. The OPC has been engaged with this issue over the years, but we haven’t received much public feedback yet. We’re moving in a direction that the OPC has advised in the past.

Honourable Hassan Yussuff (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – April 28 Question by member of the SECD

Question: One of the things that has been noted in the debriefing is that the Privacy Commissioner has not yet commented on the bill. I presume that will happen soon. Should comments come in that alter some aspect of the legislation from that perspective, is this something the government is prepared to consider — recognizing, obviously, that privacy rights in this country are very different from those in the United States?

Answer (Boniface): As indicated in the briefing that I received, as well as the briefing that was available to senators this morning, discussions have been ongoing with the Privacy Commissioner over some period of time. On this topic specifically, they haven’t yet had a conclusive discussion with the Privacy Commissioner. However, I would encourage the committee — whichever committee it is decided this goes to — to invite the Privacy Commissioner for those discussions and views. I would expect, as we do in this chamber all the time, that everyone will be open to amendments, and certainly the Privacy Commissioner’s voice is an important one to hear.

Honourable Paula Simons (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – May 10

Question: What I am concerned about is a question of balance and volume. Every day in this country, thousands of pieces of child pornography are bought and sold and traded online. The amount of it available online is practically infinite.
Yet over the last five years, from , to , Canada Border Services Agency seized 392 examples of child pornography at the border that came in on digital media, some on cellular phones and computers but others on hard drives, USB sticks, CDs and DVDs, that kind of thing. That’s 392 seizures in five years, not all of which are on phones and computers. Probably the minority are on phones and computers. I’m not sure.

It seems to me that we are potentially breaching the civil liberties of every international traveller for the sake of stopping a very small hole in the dike, while over here millions of pieces of child pornography are coming over the internet. I want you to tell me whether you think the abridgement of our civil liberties is sufficiently balanced given the minute amount of child pornography that is actually being detected in this way.

Answer (Wells): That’s an excellent question. In the old days, if you wanted to import child pornography, which we all agree is heinous, you had it in a folder or binder or album or a magazine, something like that. But now you’re right, the vast — and I can’t say vast enough — majority is stored not on the pages of a book; it’s stored online, in the cloud, in attachments to things only accessible through the internet.

There is a way to stop people coming across our border with images that we’re talking about stored on their digital devices. That is to search everyone and give CBSA the right to have full access to all of the devices. We know that’s not reasonable. That’s like saying we know we can stop car accidents on the highway by having a five-kilometre-an-hour speed limit. It’s not practical. The liberties that we have, that right to privacy, which is fundamental to our society and is fundamental in Canada, is a strong one.

The need to stop this material coming across the border is also strong, but you are right. It is a finger in the dike because you can put your finger in the dike and the water still flows over the top of it. That is what is happening. I’m really just thinking about Canadians coming in, not others. Obviously, that is not as strong a concern as I have for the rights of Canadians to privacy. I think striking at that balance is important but not the lowest bar possible that has been called “reasonable general concern.” You make an excellent point. We are looking at the nickels and dimes when there are dollars flowing in.

Honourable Salma Ataullahjan (Conservative Party of Canada)

Second reading speech – May 10

Question: Did you know that even if you have your phone on airplane mode without the location on they will know where you have gone and how long you’ve spent at various locations?

Answer (Wells): Yes, I know a lot of that is tracked and stored. I know all of what we do geographically is tracked and stored. Having it on airplane mode or non-connectivity, if that is the policy, is a reasonable policy. Of course, you have to declare where you are coming from. It may seem obvious from your boarding pass, but I am aware other information can be gathered from your personal devices without connectivity.

Honourable Bev Busson (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – May 10

Question: You discussed the issue around having your iPhone searched in the past and they found some Visa records. I would like you to comment whether you felt absolutely violated when they found these Visa records in your iPhone. And how do you feel when they go through your entire luggage?

Answer (Wells): I live a boring life, so while I did feel some violation of my privacy — it was my bank statements; I do my banking on my phone, so there was that feeling of violation — but I also thought that this is the process that a free country has. Also, I had nothing to hide.

In fact, on the claims form I said I have higher than the amount. In a public position such as ours, we don’t need to sneak around and try to get around the law because the headline isn’t that some guy gets around the law, it’s that a senator gets around the law, or tries to.

I felt violated years ago. In the 1970s, I had a car and it was parked in my driveway and the door was locked. I got up in the morning and my car had been broken into, and my cassettes had been stolen. They weren’t 8-tracks; they were just the regular old-fashioned cassettes. A couple of weeks later, I came out to my car again and one of the cassettes was on the passenger seat. So they had returned one of the cassettes.

That’s when I felt violated, when I was targeted with a specific act for nothing that had reasonable grounds. They didn’t come to steal anything. They already did that. The violation that I felt was when there was no reasonable grounds to do it, and I think that’s the crux of this debate.

Next steps

Honourable Hassan Yussuff (Independent Senators Group)

English technical briefing Question by member of the SECD

Question: Since you are now behind on court deadline, what is the expectation of the Senate?

Answer: There will be a gap. The legislative process needs to play out in its fullness as it should. We hope the process isn’t terribly long, but we are working with our front line officers in the impacted provinces (Ontario and Alberta) to mitigate this gap until this legislation can pass and be applied nationally.

Honourable Bev Busson (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – May 10

Hon. Bev Busson: Senator Wells, when you gave your speech with regard to this legislation, you talked about the delay that the government put forward and also, I think, used the words “despicable” and “Independent Senators Groupusting” to talk about some of the crimes that we’re talking about here today.

I think the principle of “better late than never” might apply in this case. Although you say there is a difficult balance to be found, wouldn’t you agree that this legislation ought to be forwarded immediately to the committee so they can discuss and debate this balance, accepting that in the gap are, as you called them, innocent victims who are the subject of this whole discussion?

Senator Wells: Thank you, Senator Busson. You make an excellent point. This needs to be law as quickly as possible. I don’t want to say it could have been done 18 months ago, but it should have been done long before now, and I see no reason to delay the process of sending it to the committee.

Obviously, we all have a right to speak on it and that could take time. I don’t know if any of my colleagues that sit with my caucus are going to speak on it. I don’t think so — I haven’t been given any indication — but let’s get it to committee and give it the scrutiny that it deserves. It’s an important issue. It’s not something trite. It’s a serious issue that worst-case scenarios happen. I have no reason to want to delay it or to see it delayed.

Oversight

Honourable Ratna Omidvar (Independent Senators Group)

Second reading speech – May 10

Question: In truth I should have asked this question to the sponsor of the bill but I missed my time. I am forgetting exactly what happened, but perhaps you can help me to understand this.
With these new added authorities to search based upon reasonable general concern, what does the bill say about oversight of the CBSA officers, or do we simply have to wait for the independent oversight bill that is expected sometime?

Answer (Wells): That is a good question. It is a paragraph that I had in the speech but I took it out because I wanted to concentrate on the substance of the bill. The question of oversight of CBSA, which is lacking, wasn’t part of the bill.
Perhaps that question could be asked at committee when witnesses come from CBSA or perhaps Senator Boniface might know more about it at third reading. That is a good question and it is important.

SECD Committee biographies

Tony Dean (Chair)

Independent Senators Group
Province: Ontario

Appointed on the advice of Justin Trudeau in 2016

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio:

  • Standing Senate Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration
  • Standing Joint Committee on the Scrutiny of Regulations

Tony Dean was appointed to the Senate of Canada on . Prior to his appointment, Senator Dean was a professor at the School of Public Policy and Governance at the University of Toronto and continues his association with the School as a Distinguished Senior Fellow. He has advised governments and international organizations on public service reform and building capacity for policy-making and delivery.

From 2002 to 2008, Senator Dean was Secretary of the Cabinet and Head of the Ontario Public Service. He also served as Deputy Minister of Labour, and as the Deputy Minister in the Cabinet Office responsible for cross-government policy coordination. In his role as a public servant, he provided non-partisan advice to NDP, Progressive Conservative and Liberal governments in Ontario.

Senator Dean has written on public sector leadership and co-authored a Mowat Centre report on pathways to fiscal sustainability in Canada. In 2012 he authored a report on integrated public service delivery in Commonwealth countries. Dean has chaired expert advisory panels on teachers’ benefit plans (2014), Occupational Health and Safety in Ontario (2010), and Business and Human Resource Planning in Canada’s public service (2008). He has also acted as an independent expert advisor on public sector pension plan governance. Dean has written for the Toronto Star and the UK-based Guardian newspaper. His book, Building Better Public Services, was published in 2015.

Jean-Guy Dagenais (Deputy Chair)

Canadian Senators Group
Province: Quebec
Senatorial designation: Victoria

Appointed on the advice of Stephen Harper in 2012

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio: Member of the Standing Senate Committee on Official Languages

Influenced by his father, who served 30 years on the Montreal police force, Jean-Guy Dagenais worked as a peace officer from 1972 to 2011 at the Sûreté du Québec. He held various positions, including patrolman, investigator, team leader, and education relations officer with schools. He also worked in the communications division and the VIP security service.

His involvement with the Association des policières et policiers provinciaux du Québec began in 1984. He served successively as delegate, regional director and vice-president of finance. He was elected president in 2004.

Mr. Dagenais has been a guest speaker at the Fédération québécoise des municipalités conference and has participated in many public security committees. He has also been a board member of both the École nationale de police and the Canadian Police Association. He was made Officer of the Order of Merit of the Police Forces, which recognizes citizens from diverse sectors who have shaped Quebec’s development or contributed to its success.

Mr. Dagenais ran as the Conservative candidate in the electoral district of Saint-Hyacinthe-Bagot in the 2011 general election.

Peter M. Boehm

Independent Senators Group
Province: Ontario

Appointed on the advice of Justin Trudeau in 2018

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio:

  • Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade
  • Senate Standing Committee on National Finance

Born in Kitchener, Ontario, Senator Peter M. Boehm holds a Ph.D in History from the University of Edinburgh, a Master of Arts in International Affairs from the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs at Carleton University, and a Bachelor of Arts in English and History from Wilfrid Laurier University.

He was Deputy Minister for the G7 Summit and Personal Representative of the Prime Minister (Sherpa) from , until his retirement from the public service in . Peter Boehm had previously been Deputy Minister of International Development, Associate, and, subsequently, Senior Associate Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs. From 2013 to 2017, he concurrently served as Sherpa for the G8 and subsequent G7 Summits, as well as the Nuclear Security Summit.

A former career foreign service officer, he served as Ambassador to Germany from 2008 to 2012 and previously as Assistant Deputy Minister for the Americas, North America and Consular Affairs. Abroad, he was Minister (political and public affairs) at the Embassy of Canada to the United States in Washington and Ambassador and Permanent Representative to the Organization of American States. He has held a variety of diplomatic positions including assignments in Cuba and Costa Rica.

He was National Summit Coordinator for the Santiago and Québec Summits of the Americas, Special Envoy for the Organization of American States Democratization Mission in Peru and Personal Representative (Sherpa) of the Prime Minister for the Summit of the Americas in Mar del Plata in 2005. From 2005 to 2008, he was the senior official responsible for the annual North American Leaders’ Summit.

He is a recipient of the Public Service of Canada Outstanding Achievement Award and the Canadian Foreign Service Officer Award for his contribution to advancing peace in Central America.

Donna Dasko

Independent Senators Group
Province: Ontario

Appointed on the advice of Justin Trudeau in 2018

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio: Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications

She is a respected national pollster, media commentator, and private sector business leader with considerable public policy experience. She holds a Ph.D. and MA from the University of Toronto and a BA (Hons) from the University of Manitoba.

Dr. Dasko was formerly Senior Vice-President of Environics Research Group Ltd, and built the firm from a small consultancy into one of Canada’s leading research firms. During her career, she led major research studies for federal and provincial departments and agencies, private sector clients, and NGOs, in areas including the economy, budget priorities, tobacco control, health promotion, national unity, and many others. She was a leader in developing media-sponsored polling including the Globe-Environics Poll and election and special feature polling for the CBC.

As a community volunteer, she served in many roles including President of St. Stephen’s Community House, Director of the United Way of Greater Toronto, Governor of the Canadian Unity Council (devoted to Canadian unity and federalism), Chair of the National CEO Roundtable for the Alzheimer Society, and Advisor to GreenPac (which promotes environmental leadership).

Dr. Dasko’s passion for the promotion of women in politics has guided much of her advocacy. She is a Co-Founder and former National Chair of Equal Voice, a non-partisan organization aimed at electing more women in Canada. She currently serves on the Board of Directors of Women’s Legal Education and Action Fund (LEAF), which promotes equality rights for women. In 2015, she co-founded the Campaign for an Equal Senate for Canada, an initiative to promote a gender-equal Senate. She works with National Democratic Institute on issues related to women in politics internationally.

She is a Senior Fellow at the University of Toronto’s Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy and taught in its Master’s program before her Senate appointment. She is a member of Statistics Canada’s Advisory Committee on Social Conditions.

Marty Deacon

Independent Senators Group
Province: Ontario
Senatorial Designation: Waterloo Region

Appointed on the advice of Justin Trudeau in 2018

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio:

  • Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry
  • Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce
  • Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Prior to serving in the Senate, Senator Deacon completed a 35-year career in Education. As an Educator with a Masters of Education (Western University) she taught (Physics, Science, Physical & Health Education) in Secondary Schools (Waterloo Region District School Board), at two Universities (University of Toronto, Western University), was a Consultant, and an Administrator at the Elementary and Secondary School level. Deacon finished her career in Education as Superintendent. Following this career, Senator Deacon consulted across sectors with a focus on organizational excellence.

Senator Deacon is most passionate about the physical and mental well-being of all Canadians. She is an advocate for the future of women and young girls and children worldwide. She has mentored and supported leaders in developing countries with a belief that sport, the arts and education can build better communities, one community at a time.

Senator Deacon is dedicated to ensuring organizations can thrive and function at optimal levels. She has assisted with developing governance and policy that allows this to happen in a meaningful, purposeful and respectful way. Senator Deacon will use all of her skills and experiences to ensure an inclusive. inviting meaningful connection for all Canadians. All perspectives need to be heard and understood. Senator Deacon understands the importance of taking risks, participating in courageous conversations and learning every day.

Senator Deacon has been recognized through a variety of awards including: The Women of Distinction and Lifetime Achievement Award (YWCA), Waterloo Region, The International Olympic Committee, Education and Youth Award, the Jules Nisse “Playground to Podium” award, the Queen Diamond Jubilee Medal, Induction in the Cambridge Sports Hall of Fame and the Cambridge Hall of Fame.

Hassan Yussuff

Independent Senators Group
Province: Ontario

Appointed on the advice of Justin Trudeau in 2021

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio: Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce

In 1988, Senator Yussuff joined the Canadian Auto Workers union as the National Staff Representative, and later became their first Director of Human Rights. In 1999, he became Canadian Labour Congress’s first person of colour elected to an executive position, as Executive Vice-President. He went on to be elected as Secretary-Treasurer for three terms, from 2002 to 2014, before being elected President in 2014. He was re-elected in this role in 2017.

In addition to his work in Canada, Mr. Yussuff is a prominent international activist. In 2016, he was elected for his second term as President of the Trade Union Confederation of the Americas, an organization uniting 48 national organizations and representing more than 55 million workers in 21 countries. He was also a member of the Executive Bureau and General Council of the International Trade Union Confederation and a member of the Ministerial Council of the Trade Union Advisory Committee to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

Mr. Yussuff served on the Government of Canada’s NAFTA Council and its Sustainable Development Advisory Council. He also contributed to numerous other task forces and organizations, including as co-chair of the Task Force on Just Transition for Canadian Coal Power Workers and Communities, and as a member of the Board of Directors of the National Institute of Disability Management and Research. He was recently appointed to the Net-Zero Advisory Body by the Minister of the Environment and Climate Change. He has recently been part of the Industry Advisory Roundtable on COVID-19 Testing, Screening, Tracing and Data Management and the COVID Communications Partners Roundtable.

Mr. Yussuff and the Canadian Labour Congress, with their tripartite partners, are recipients of the 2021 Canadian Freedom of Association Award for their instrumental collaboration in Canada’s 2017 ratification of the International Labour Organization’s Convention No. 98. Mr. Yussuff has been a recent recipient of the Pearson Centre Progressive Leadership Award. He has also received honorary Doctorate of Laws from Brock University and Ryerson University.

Mobina S. B. Jaffer

Independent Senators Group
Province: British Columbia

Appointed on the advice of Jean Chrétien in 2001

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio: Chair, Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs

Senator Mobina Jaffer represents the province of British Columbia in the Senate of Canada. Appointed to the Senate on by Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, she is the first Muslim senator, the first African-born senator, and the first senator of South Asian descent.

After spending almost a decade with the Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights, Senator Jaffer had the opportunity to chair a number of studies including one on the sexual exploitation of children in Canada and the need for national action. A champion of Canada’s linguistic bilingualism, she advocates measures to advance the use of English and French in communities across Canada. As public safety has assumed a significant place in national debate and policy, Senator Jaffer raised awareness on the abuse of profiling in counterterrorism measures and the fundamental imperative to respect privacy, human rights, and the rule of law. Communities are at the heart of any successful policy initiative and progress; Senator Jaffer works to engage communities in protecting human rights, celebrating Canada’s diversity, and promoting progress.

Senator Jaffer served as Canada’s Special Envoy for Peace in Sudan from 2002 to 2006. From 2002 to 2005, she chaired the Canadian Committee on Women, Peace, and Security. Senator Jaffer is often invited to speak at international conferences on security issues and the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1325, which “urges all actors to increase the participation of women and incorporate gender perspectives in all United Nations peace and security efforts” and “calls on all parties to conflict to take special measures to protect women and girls from gender-based violence, particularly rape and other forms of sexual abuse, in situations of armed conflict.” As a grandmother, women’s rights and children’s rights are central to Senator Jaffer’s advocacy.

Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu

Conservative Party of Canada
Province: Quebec
Senatorial designation: La Salle

Appointed on the advice of Stephen Harper in 2010

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio:

  • Deputy Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration
  • Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce

He worked for more than 30 years in Quebec’s public service as a senior official and deputy minister. In , his eldest daughter was murdered by a repeat offender; it is then that he began championing the rights of the families of murdered or missing individuals, so that the justice system grants them the same rights as criminals. In , Senator Boisvenu and three other fathers founded the Murdered or Missing Persons' Families' Association (MMPFA). This association, which supports and advises families who have suffered the sudden loss of a loved one, now has more than 600 member families. Through sustained media presence and the numerous talks he continues to give, Senator. Boisvenu has helped to increase awareness of the rights of victims of crimes among the Canadian public. He also created the Isabelle Boisvenu Fund, which provides scholarships for students in the field of victimology.

In , Senator Boisvenu was awarded the Government of Quebec’s Prix de la justice. This award recognizes a citizen’s significant contribution to the promotion of justice in the province.

Senator Boisvenu is co-founder of Le Nid, a shelter for abused women in Val-d’Or, and was a member of several boards and humanitarian organizations in the Eastern Townships. He was chair of the United Way of the Eastern Townships from 2006 until .

As a senator, he has worked to strengthen victim legislation and victims’ rights in Canada’s judicial system. He succeeded in passing the Canadian Victims Bill of Rights during his term in office. He sponsored several government and private Members' bills: Bill C-23A (Eliminating Pardons for Serious Crimes Act), Bill C-310 (An Act to amend the Criminal Code-trafficking in persons), Bill C-316 (An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act-incarceration), Bill C-293 (An Act to amend the Corrections and Conditional Release Act-vexatious complainants), Bill C-37 (Increasing Offenders' Accountability for Victims Act), Bill C-452 (An Act to amend the Criminal Code-exploitation and trafficking in persons) and Bill C-479 (An Act to Bring Fairness for the Victims of Violent Offenders).

Larry W. Smith

Conservative Party of Canada
Province: Quebec

Appointed on the advice of Stephen Harper in 2010

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio: Social Affairs, Science and Technology

Larry Smith is a widely-recognized and respected figure in Quebec. He graduated from Bishop’s University with a bachelor of arts in economics in 1972, and a bachelor of civil law degree from McGill University in 1976. He is well-known in Montreal from his days as a fullback with the Montreal Alouettes from 1972 to 1980, and as President and Chief Executive Officer of the same team from 1997 to 2001 and again since 2004. Working tirelessly to promote professional and amateur football, Mr. Smith also served as Commissioner of the Canadian Football League (CFL) prior to his first term as Alouettes’ President.

Outside of football, Mr. Smith has served on a number of civic charitable boards, including as Co-President of the 2001 Montreal Centraide Campaign and on the board of the Canadian Olympic Committee. He also has extensive experience in the business world, including positions with John Labatt, Ltd., and Ogilvie Mills, Ltd., before becoming CFL Commissioner. In addition he served as president and publisher of The Montreal Gazette in 2002 and 2003.

He has received numerous awards over the course of his careers, including the Commissioner’s Award for outstanding service and dedication in promoting and preserving the CFL (2001), the 1994 American Marketing Association-Toronto chapter Marketer of the Year (consumer products) and Sports Personality of the Year at the Quebec Sports Gala (1998). Mr. Smith was inducted into the Quebec Sports Hall of Fame on under the category of "Builder for Football".

Mr. Smith resides in Hudson, Quebec, with his wife Leesa. They have three children and two grandchildren.

David Richards

Canadian Senator Group
Province: New Brunswick

Appointed by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in 2017

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio: Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Senator David Adams Richards is an acclaimed Canadian novelist, essayist, screenwriter and poet, whose commitment to the Miramichi River valley, his province, and the country is reflected in his body of work. His writings, through which he gives voices to the marginalized and helps to deepen the reader’s understanding of the human experience, have been translated into 12 languages, and are part of the curriculum of Canadian and U.S. universities.

Mr. Richards has been a writer-in-residence at several universities and colleges across Canada and has received honorary doctorates from three New Brunswick universities and the Atlantic School of Theology. He is one of only three writers to have won in both the fiction and non-fiction categories of the Governor General’s Literary Award. He was a co-winner of the 2000 Giller Prize for his novel Mercy Among the Children and has received numerous other prestigious awards, including the Canada-Australia Literary Prize, two Gemini Awards for scriptwriting, the Alden Nowlan Award for Excellence in the Arts, the Canadian Authors Association Award and the 2011 Matt Cohen Award for a distinguished lifetime of contribution to Canadian literature.

In 2007, he was awarded the regional Commonwealth Writers’ Prize award. He is a member of the Order of New Brunswick and the Order of Canada. The Writers’ Union of New Brunswick and St. Thomas University have established annual awards in Mr. Richards’ name.

Jane Cordy

Progressive Senate Group
Province: Nova Scotia

Appointed on the advice of Jean Chrétien in 2000

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio:

  • Standing Senate Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament
  • Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries and Oceans
  • Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology

Senator Cordy was appointed to the Senate by the Right Honourable Jean Chrétien on . She was born in Sydney, Nova Scotia and is a graduate of the Nova Scotia Teachers College and Mount St. Vincent University. She taught elementary school for 30 years in Nova Scotia, teaching in Sydney, New Glasgow and the Halifax Regional Municipality.

Senator Cordy has served as vice-chair of the Halifax-Dartmouth Port Development Commission and was also the chair of the Board of Referees for employment insurance. She also served on the Board of Phoenix House for Youth and also served as a Board Member of Mount Saint Vincent University.

Senator Cordy is a past president of the Nova Scotia Women’s Liberal Commission. She also served on Prime Minister Chrétien’s task force on seniors.

Senator Cordy is a past chair of the Canadian NATO Parliamentary Association and served as an international vice president of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly representing North America on the executive. She is also a vice president of the Civil Dimensions of Security Committee in the Assembly. Senator Cordy continues to be involved with the NATO Parliamentary Association as well as the Canada-U.S. Parliamentary Association.

Senator Cordy has a particular interest in issues related to mental health, multiple sclerosis, seniors and aging, NATO and Gender Security, education and children. She was a member of the senate committee which published a report “Out of the Shadows at Last” a study of the issues relating to mental health, mental illness and addictions. She was also a member of the special senate committee on the implications of an aging society in Canada.

Senator Cordy lives in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia with her husband Bob. They have two adult children, Alison and Michelle, and four grandchildren.

Margaret Dawn Anderson

Progressive Senate Group
Province: Northwest Territories

Appointed on the advice of Justice Trudeau in 2018

Activities/Experience of Interest to the Portfolio:

  • Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources
  • Former Director of Community Justice and Policing, NWT
  • Former Assistant Director, Corrections Services, NWT

Ms. Anderson has a Bachelors of Child & Youth Care from University of Victoria. She has more than 20 years of experience as a public servant, working with communities and Indigenous peoples across the Northwest Territories. She served in various roles with the Government of Northwest Territories, Department of Justice. Notably, she was the Director of Community Justice and Policing, and Assistant Director, Corrections Services, where she implemented positive changes to the territorial justice system. She was involved in the feasibility study, development and implementation of the NWT Wellness Court Program, a therapeutic program that attempts to reduce recidivism by treating underlying issues like mental health, addictions, and cognitive challenges.

Ms. Anderson continues to pursue a MA in Indigenous Governance at the University of Victoria. Prior to her appointment, and to prepare for the defense of the Community Governance component of her Masters studies, Ms. Anderson worked as a Policy Analyst with the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation where she participated in Inuvialuit self-government negotiations with the Government of the Northwest Territories, and the Government of Canada.

Ms. Anderson’s dedication to her community and to improving the lives of others is best displayed through the development, implementation and facilitation of the Planning Action Responsibly Toward Non-violent Empowered Relationships (PARTNER) program, a northern-based program for low to medium risk domestic violence offenders that is a central component to the NWT Domestic Violence Options (DVTO) Court. She also was an active member of the Working Group for DVTO Court. In addition, Ms. Anderson also worked with restorative justice initiatives across the NWT and conducted a review of the N.W.T.’s community justice program through consultations, which resulted in a report with several recommendations to improve community-based programming.

Ms. Anderson is a two-time recipient of the territorial Premier’s Award for Excellence for her leadership and commitment to improving her community. She resides in Yellowknife, NT.

Pierre J. Dalphond

Progressive Senate Group
Province: Quebec

Appointed on the advice of Justice Trudeau in 2018

Activities/Interest: Protect minorities and defend the Constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms

Born in Joliette, Quebec, Senator Dalphond holds a law degree from the University of Montreal and a M. Phil. In Philosophy, Politics and Law from Oxford University, U.K.

He began his professional career in Ottawa (clerk to the Supreme Court of Canada, then legislative advisor to the Privy Council) before moving to Montreal to join a national firm, where he practised corporate and business law.

In 1995, he was appointed a Justice of the Quebec Superior Court. In 2002, he was elevated to the Quebec Court of Appeal. He wrote leading judgements on language rights, freedom of association, freedom of speech, treaty rights, separation of powers, class action, sharing of parental responsibilities and abuse of judicial process.

Throughout his career, he has written numerous legal articles, taught in faculties, given talks in Canada and abroad and organized training programs for judges (notably China, Brazil and Rwanda). He has been regularly involved with various social, cultural and political organizations.

In recognition of Senator Dalphond’s contributions, he was made a graduate emeritus of the University of Montreal. He was also awarded the Queen’s Golden Jubilee Medal and the Governor General’s Academic Medal and was made an honorary member for life of the Young Bar of Montreal.

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